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05/27/2011

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Raju

How can I buy this whey protein online? The link doesn't work and the progressive website doesn't have an option to purchase online.

Janine

Hi,
I ahve been using the Vega Sport Performance Protein. Its a complete Plant-based Protein. Have you tried this? Any tips on whether or not this good?
thanks,
Janine

Dan

Hi Rob. Not sure if you still tend to this blog - or this post, especially - But I would like to know which isolates you had used before switching to a concentrate.

If the purification method is cold filtration only, then the soluble micronutrients present should remain in the whey isolate - the problem may come with heat in spray drying and pasteurization (which will be a problem in concentrates also) or with the removal of something critical in the hydrophobic portion of the filtrate. That's both an advantage and a disadvantage for the concentrate, which retains that hydrophobic portion - Good because it may retain those nutrients, bad for reasons I'll get to in a second.

On IgG - it is, in fact, a water-soluble protein like any other serum/secreted antibody, so it too should remain in a properly processed whey isolate. I've read from around the web that Joseph Mercola is the one propagating the claim that IgG is "bound" to fat globules, but beyond making little sense from an immmunology standpoint, I have seen no evidence in support of this claim - and I do have reason to believe that he's using it to sell his products, one of which is a whey concentrate.

Normally, I would be all for buying concentrates - They're cheaper, more "whole," and can generally be bought organic - but one thing is holding me back, and that is oxidized cholesterol. See, any time you pasteurize a cholesterol-containing food, spray dry it, and sit it around, especially in a powdered form, you're asking for that cholesterol to oxidize.

Incidentally, this is why your mention that processing affects solubility would be true for both a concentrate and an isolate; both are pasteurized and both are subjected to high heat (500 degrees Fahrenheit - yes, you read that right, 500) during the spray drying which, if you're lucky, might be offset by an evaporative cooling effect.

So... It's important to know how the isolate you used was made. Microfiltered whey isolates are the only viable choice here. Ion-exchange isolates - those made by literally running the whey on a chromatography column - will most certainly denature and leave out important portions of protein and micronutrients.

All this being said, perhaps dropping the protein supplements altogether would be in the best interest of health, even if it means working harder to build muscle!

Finally, I also thought it worth mentioning that any protein containing methionine will stimulate mTOR, as it is a master protein synthesis regulation gene. This is not especially good for you in some cells, as it turns out - Higher protein synthesis means more protein hormones and therefore more cell growth and division, which accelerates aging. This is the basis for calorie restriction diets and the effectiveness of rapamycin (hence the name, "Mammalian Target of Rapamycin - mToR).

Alice

Thank you for this. After researching protein powders for lactose intolerance, I had arrived at the conclusion that whey isolate was the best way to go since it is lactose-free. I stumbled onto your post through a google search for organic whey isolate. I am so glad I did. I also try to eat clean and was grateful for both your analysis and recommendation. The powder you suggested says it is lactose reduced so I think it will work for me as my lactose intolerance is not as extreme as some people's.

Priscilla

Hey rob,

I'm a 20 year old female who recently got into weight lifting where I incorporate many compound exercise. I have been drinking whey protein from nutrilite taking CLA from nutrilite omega 3 and fish oil. What's your opinion?

Sarah

Hey Rob, I was just in the Youth Juice website and noticed that they have a protein powder called Reshape.I was going to buy the protein powder you were recommending but is this one just as good? I am wondering because it would be easier to buy both products from one spot;) Thanks for the info, very educational!

Robert Armstrong

Hi JK,

Thanks for your question. I generally don’t comment on commercially available products I don’t personally use, as I have no way of knowing how thess products affects me, for example, many Whey Proteins have a very negative affect on a person’s pH. Here’s a link to a post I wrote a couple years ago about understanding the importance of your body’s pH:
http://www.nofinishlineblog.com/2010/07/do-you-know-your-bodys-ph-why-is-it-important.html

Rob

JK

is Holand & Barrat whey proteins good?

it contains the following ingredients:

Creatine Monohydrate, Capsule Shell (Gelatine), Anti-Caking Agents (Magnesium Stearate, Silicon Dioxide).

Contains (or contains an ingredient/s derived from) sulphites.

It has the following label:

Guaranteed Free Of:

No Artificial Colours, Flavours, Sweeteners, Preservatives, Starch, Milk, Lactose, Soya, Gluten, Wheat, Yeast, Fish or Porcine.

could you please advise.

thanks

Robert Armstrong

Hi Mo: this is a good question and I answered it once before in the comments thread, but it's worth repeating. Here's my previous answer:

As with all allergic reactions, there are varying degrees, some people are mildly sensitive, while other's reactions are extreme. Progressive Organic Whey Protein is “lactose reduced and gluten free”, so it should be fine for the majority of users, however, if your reaction to dairy is extreme, I would suggest alternate sources of protein.

Mo

I am lactose intolerant and have had trouble finding a protein that doesn't make me very bloated and uncomfortable. I have heard that the whey concentrates contain more lactose and are not lactose free. Is this true? Are there any whey concentrates that are lactose free?

Robert Armstrong

Hi Rajbir - The whey protein I personally use and featured in the blog post made by Progressive.

http://nofinishline.vitahub.com/Progressive-100-Organic-Whey-Protein.html

rajbir7770@yahoo.com

Can someone tell me whats the exactly product name (whey protein) ? So that i will able to buy from whole foods.

Robert Armstrong

Hi Richard - that's a great question. Measuring pH is very easy. You simply "pee" on a pH strip that you can get from pHion. Here is their online web site: http://www.phionbalance.com/ph-balancing-products/ph-test-strips

Richard Leigh

Thanks for the info on protein shakes - there's so many traps out there to avoid! I've been using a product which contains a mix of concentrates, isolates and hydrolised whey (they don't tell you the proportions), bought from my local health store. It doesn't seem to have any surfactants added, though it has soy lecithin and acacia gum added as emulsifiers, and a range of B vitamins too. From what you say I guess I should dump it!
My question is this: how do you measure your internal acidity, and what is a healthy level?

Robert Armstrong

Hi Sebas,
Thanks for your comment and good luck with your training program.

I will answer your question from the perspective of what’s best for your health, as many will provide differing opinions depending on what kind of physical activities they participate in.

A good rule of thumb regarding protein intake is to consume one (1) gram of protein for every kilo of body weight and add about 10% to 20% more if you’re very active. For example, I’m a competitive cyclist and weigh 71 kg (157lbs) and consume about 75 grams of protein a day (from all sources). This is plenty for my needs.

Every morning, I make a protein/energy shake with the following ingredients:

• 30gms of Whey Protein
• 1 banana
• 4 table spoons of plain Greek Yogurt
• 1 orange (1/4 of orange peel)
• 1 cup of mixed field berries (blueberries, raspberries, blackberries)
• 1 cup of strawberries
• 2 oz of YouthJuice

This is a very healthy way to kick your morning into gear and provides great energy.

I also have a protein shake 30 to 45 minutes after every workout, which is just about every day. The recipe is described in this blog post above, but since I wrote this post, I’ve added a banana and another orange to the ingredients.

As for taking protein prior to exercise, this is where I probably differ from some. I figure I get enough protein between my morning shake, post workout and other meal sources. Excess protein is metabolized by the body into acid forming toxins. Read my post on pH: (http://www.nofinishlineblog.com/2010/07/do-you-know-your-bodys-ph-why-is-it-important.html) to better understand why this is not good for your long term health.

Hope this answers your questions. Let me know how you make out. Good luck with your training!

Enjoy the Ride....Rob

Sebas Fontaine

Hey Rob,

Very interesting article. I went on to buy 3 jars of that Progressive Protein and it looks great. I wanted to know though, how much do I take before and after the exercise? How long before and how long after?

I heard an hour prior and 15 to 30 minutes after, but nobody mentions gram amounts. I guess it depends on each person but do you have an approximation or a way for me to find out? I usually only take a single 30g scoop of Whey after training, but it wasn't the good whey.

Now that I have good whey, should I keep taking a 30g scoop after but also, let's say, 15-20g an hour prior to training? How do I do this?

Thanks!

Robert Armstrong

Hi Carrie - as with all allergic reactions, there are varying degrees, some people are mildly sensitive, while other's reactions are extreme. Progressive Organic Whey Protein is “lactose reduced and gluten free”, so it should be fine for the majority of users, however, if your reaction to dairy is extreme, I would suggest alternate sources of protein.

Carrie

Is Progressive Organics Organic Whey Protein okay to use for people who are lactose intolerant?

Tom

Is this good for a 17 year old as well?

natural whey protein powder

I take natural whey protein powder supplement which made with 100% natural ingredient.

Robert Armstrong

Hi Helen661 - I only recommend supplement products that I actually use myself. And the list is pretty short as only use two. Much to the disappointment of many companies that market supplements, I believe that people can receive most nutritional needs from a good diet. That said, athletes certainly require additional protein, so I reccommend taking Progressive Organic's 100% Organic Whey Protein Concentrate, as suggested in this post. You can order it at: http://nofinishline.vitahub.com/Progressive-100-Organic-Whey-Protein-340g-or-680g.html

Somanabolic muscle maximizer review

please give me an information about whaere can i buy protein powder an creatin poxder in kochi ( kerala)

Robert Armstrong

Hi Dianna - Thanks so much for your comment and question.

Regarding "Shakeology", I generally don't comment on products that I don't have direct personal experience with, so I will keep comments as general observations of the product as advertized through their web-based marketing. And since it's marketed through "Network Marketing" it's pretty slick, and the people providing testimony are obviously in a conflict of interest:

1) I’m a big fan of real whole food (preferably organic), and as nature produced it, that’s not altered or processed by man. Every time foods are altered through a manufactured process, they lose some or in many cases a significant amount of their nutritional value because they lose their synergy with the whole food. For example, Raspberry seeds contain high amounts of Elagic Acid which is a powerful Antioxidant. It is metabolized best when consumed with the pulp of the berry. Nature has been perfecting the foods we eat for millions of years, while man has only been at this for a few decades. I’ll stick with nature every time and eat the whole food as it was meant to be.

2) Organic Whey Protein Concentrate is the highest quality protein a person can digest and you should have 1gm for every Kg of body weight. If Shakeology is your soul source of protein, you would require around 5 shakes a day at a cost of $20/day, just to meet your protein RDA. By the way, this is a plant based protein, which is not as bio-available as animal protein and does not contain all the essential amino acids found in Whey.

3) Excessive sugar is one of the worst things a human can ingest, check my post on this topic at: (http://www.nofinishlineblog.com/2011/04/sugar-a-bittersweet-story.html). One serving of Shakeology has 15grams of sugar, or almost 4 teaspoons!. That’s approximately ½ of what a human should take for an entire day! And assuming you require more than one shake to meet your minimal protein RDA; you will far exceed your sugar quota for the day in just two servings.

4) I rarely eat anything that has more than 5 ingredients in it. Shakeology claims to have over 70! Ask this simple question. Would your grand mother or great grand mother recognize this as a food?

5) I never consume anything that is a replacement for a meal. This doesn’t make any sense; why wouldn't I just eat a healthy meal instead of this highly processed meal replacement?

6) Finally, and a good rule of thumb. When something sounds too good to be true. It generally isn’t, but I think you already knew this about this product.

Dianna – my advice is to stick to the healthy basics and eat a diet of fruits and vegetables, along with lean protein, reduce your sugar and starchy foods and drink approximately 2-3 liters of water a day. Add some daily exercise and good rest at night and you should enjoy a healthy life.

Enjoy the ride….Rob

Dianna Clingerman

hi there. so what do you know about the poduct 'shakeology' ? I am so glad I found your information. I have been using a protein shake with a lot of the things within that I am sadly disappointed!! I plan to order a more healthy protein shake but I also wanted to ask about the shakeology.. as it does not clearly explain in the ingredients what kind of whey protein it is. . Thanks, Dianna

Robert Armstrong

Hi Cody – thanks for your question. As long as you’re taking Organic Whey Protein Concentrate and not Whey Isolate Protein, you should be ok. That said, to ensure you don’t take too much protein over a 24 hour period; I want you to monitor how much protein you take from all sources (meat, eggs, etc). My suggestion is to only take 1 gram per kilogram of body weight for optimal health. (1 gm = 2.2lbs). At your age I would also focus on building lean muscle and not just bulking up for vanity reasons. Consider the consequences of your lifestyle choices today on your future health (as in 30 years from now). Good luck with your training and Enjoy the Ride....Rob

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